Problem With White

Hi, the problem I'm having is with trying to get white lines on top of black, I just can't make it work. I feel as though I've read every post regarding the best white to use but I may have missed some. I've tried Paradise, Snaz, Tag and now have some DFX white and still can't make it happen so I figure it must be something I'm doing wrong. I thought I may be applying too much pressure but even when I apply very little, I still can't get it right. Is it even possible? I've had to say no to painting a black spiderman with white lines a few times now. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

Sorry I can't help. But really looking forward to the answers on this.

Ok, no expert here, but unfortunately the only paint you haven't tried....Wolfe White, is meant to be the best for covering black. I've tried DFX and Wolfe, and they are pretty similar, but if you're going to knit pick, I think Wolfe is the better one for this particular job. It also helps to get your paint pretty goopy if you know what I mean.....not runny but more like a margarine kinda consistency, and yeah not to heavy handed either. You might still need two coats though, making sure the first coat is good and dry before apply the second. This is just my experience and what I think, which others might think is way off base. I don't know. Never tried black spiderman with white lines though.....sounds like a bit of a nightmare.

I also agree that Wolfe White is probably the best for covering black. Have you thought about using black powder (like Mehron Starblend) for the base instead of black paint?

Rae....that new avatar is FABULOUS!!!!

I think the most important factor is to make sure the consistency is thick enough....any white will be translucent if it is too thin. Also, make sure your black is completely dry before painting over it....
I use black Starblend for black spidey... the black is not as dense, though... (I don't get too many request for black spidey anymore so I hope I'm being helpful)

Is your base coat dry before you try to apply the white details? If both the base and the brush are wet, it will blend no matter which brand.

I find Wolfe white is the best for painting on top of other colours. It can't be too watery and you need to work it a bit to get a good load of pigment.

It also needs a light touch... don't press too hard, just hard enough to transfer the colour.

I've done white lines on black spidey, and silver lines on black spidey. Works as long as the base is DRY.

I've done black spiderman with white lines. I used starblend black powder as the base and Tag or DFX white.

I agree, Wolfe is the best. I know SillyFarm is suppose to be stocking it in a week or two. I would love to see Metina start carrying it!

Wait till the black is dry. If you are in a hurry, you can take a sponge and blot the black to absorb the extra paint. Just blot once and flip the sponge over so you don't smudge the black.

i use a holland brand i think... its called AQUA party Xplosion
it works perfect for me....i always use those.. white and black for line work

Your problem might be the black you're using... Like Shannon said make sure your black is completely dry. I'd also recommend using a powder base like Mehron's Starblend, however I find that it isn't very dark on my skin... Maybe it's my skin type?

For Spidey in black I use Paradise black for the base and Tulip Silver with a little bit of Mehron Silver Metallic powder mixed in with it for the lines, then if I want it to pop (and have a little more time available) I do some white accents on the web. I tried white DFX for the lines several times and wasn't happy with it so I switched to silver.

Agreed. You need Wolfe. Even then, white over black isn't ideal if you are having to "drag" your brush at all. It tends to pick up the black paint. generally, unless you're talking black spiderman, you put the white NEXT to the black to highlight, not RIGHT over it. Dots are different, because you aren't pulling the bristles through the black paint. You are just touching the white dot on top of it. I dunno. JMO.

BekahCat wrote:Your problem might be the black you're using...

That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's the black you are using. Some blend better (whether you want them to or not) than others. Which black base have you been using? Try changing that up.

Stacia wrote:For Spidey in black I use Paradise black for the base and Tulip Silver with a little bit of Mehron Silver Metallic powder mixed in with it for the lines, then if I want it to pop (and have a little more time available) I do some white accents on the web. I tried white DFX for the lines several times and wasn't happy with it so I switched to silver.

Stacia, that sounds awesome! Do you have a picture?

Wolf paint works the best for me but you must let you base color dry . Good Luck .

1HappyNut wrote: Stacia, that sounds awesome! Do you have a picture?

Unfortunately I don't...I haven't had the opportunity to snap a pic of that one (and I don't even keep it on my menu, I just mention that Spidey can be done in any color)...If I get a second later today I'll paint an example on my arm and get a pic for you.

Ok, so I just painted it on my arm...and I added the white accent on the top half but left it off of the bottom half. That's Paradise Black, Tulip Silver with a little bit of Mehron Silver Metallic powder mixed in, and DFX White for the accents on the top half. The only thing is that I have to reload SO many times with the silver that it adds a good 2 minutes on to my Spidey Face. I dread it.

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Wowsa, Stacia! Worth the effort!!
Thanks for taking the time to do that to show me!!

Thanks everyone. Rae, apparently he's the 'bad' Spiderman. Looks like I should've asked this question before ordering two 90g pots of DFX though I guess I'll use them up then give Wolfe a go. So far the DFX seems very similar to TAG. I've never tried Starblends, Jzino - can they be applied with a sponge or only those little blender applicator's I've seen? Shannon, it may not have been completely dry the first time I tried tonight, my Tag black seems to take a while to dry - not sure if it's due to adding too much water. I went over the same patch of black just now and it worked a bit better so that may have been part of the problem. The brush did go a bit grey the first time so I guess that's why. This time I used a super-light touch, almost like I was nearly 'skimming' the surface if that's the right word. It seemed to work a lot better though halfway through the line seemed to go patchy so I suppose I hadn't loaded my brush enough or need to go back for more paint to make it work. Miss Ronnie, I did make it thicker which seemed to help. Starblends sounds like a good solution 'til I've mastered it using a paint base but yeah, it's a shame the black's not more dense. What I'd really love to do is paint a half good/half bad Spiderman. I might try it with silver in the meantime. Thanks for the blotting-tip, CottonKandy, I'll keep it in mind. Now to find a really good silver that I don't need to mix with metallic powder! Not sure if Tulip's available in Australia, will have to check. I've been using Snaz mixed with powder but don't like it. Love the web, Stacia ). Thanks everyone, very helpful advice

I haven't been able to find the smoothie blender applicators for starblends in the uk so I use a sponge powder puff instead, it seems pretty similar.

The best silver so far that I've found, just in paint alone (not including the Mehron Silver Metallic Powder) is believe it or not Mont Marte. Makes the DFX silver look like dirty dishwater when you compare the two. Keeping in mind of course that I haven't really tried very many silvers, but I was impressed with this one. Readily available here in Oz. : )

I used Tag white and black. White turned gray but the kid was happy. I have a liner brush now (hope thats the name of it) and it doesn't grab the black as much. Dont hv pic to show 2nd try.

clowngirl wrote: I've never tried Starblends, Jzino - can they be applied with a sponge or only those little blender applicator's I've seen?

I bet any kind of makeup sponge that you could pick up from the drugstore would work just fine. I think of them as gigantic eyeshadow pans and treat them about the same. You can spray bit of water onto the cake and use your face paint sponges too.