Ingredients on the Internet?

Fortune Cookie wrote:

JBM wrote:Out of interest fortune cookie what do you use to paint with?

Hello JBM,

I use Elegant Minerals

http://www.elegantminerals.com/Natural_Non_Toxic_Face_Paint_LEAD_FREE.html


I'm sure most people wouldn't think twice about what is in the face paint. It doesn't mean as a professional I'm not going to tell them. That would be like being a nutritionist who didn't bother to explain the differences in the food choices available.

Interesting. Their pictures don't really sell it but I am definitely curious. And I think a lot of us do think about what is in paint and it is often discussed on here but for insurance purposes we have to be using paint that has been tested and approved safe and from a reputable brand. So is the face paint cream/watercolour/powder? It's hards to tell from the website. Do you have to use the geisha powder stuff underneath it? I'd love to know if anyone else on here had tried it....

Fortune Cookie wrote:Hi Noella,

I don't know, but I've written to ask them which it is.

I know there are one or two forms (tocopherol acetate being the worst) that can cause contact dermatitis; though it is widely known to cause this and so avoided by most cosmetic companies using natural and organic ingredients. Their claim of hypoallergenic would seem to eliminate anything that might cause skin problems.

It will be interesting to find out

Interesting - tocopherol acetate I'd heard had antioxidant benefits and UV protection.

All Tocopherol definitely does, but there are 8 different sources for vitamin E, and the ones that are the high in antioxidant properties are typically delineated with a 'd' or 'dl' preceding their name, with Alpha tocopherol being the best there is.

Here is my source
http://www.greatvistachemicals.com/vitamins-vitamin/tocopherol-vitamin-e.html

and this site has some good into too
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/499241

I'll let you know what the company says in their response; though I'd be very surprised if they were using anything but the high quality, anti-oxidant rich, 'd', 'dl', or alpha.

JBM wrote:

Fortune Cookie wrote:

JBM wrote:Out of interest fortune cookie what do you use to paint with?

Hello JBM,

I use Elegant Minerals

http://www.elegantminerals.com/Natural_Non_Toxic_Face_Paint_LEAD_FREE.html


I'm sure most people wouldn't think twice about what is in the face paint. It doesn't mean as a professional I'm not going to tell them. That would be like being a nutritionist who didn't bother to explain the differences in the food choices available.

Interesting. Their pictures don't really sell it but I am definitely curious. And I think a lot of us do think about what is in paint and it is often discussed on here but for insurance purposes we have to be using paint that has been tested and approved safe and from a reputable brand. So is the face paint cream/watercolour/powder? It's hards to tell from the website. Do you have to use the geisha powder stuff underneath it? I'd love to know if anyone else on here had tried it....

I understand, though insurance never even crossed my mind. I just looked for what I would put on my kids faces, and I like that these are hypoallergenic, lead free, and use natural plant based ingredients - I also love how easily they come off with soap and water (though I know most brands do that too). I will be offering parents information on the paints and the company. And I don't sell these paints, and have no intention of doing so, for purposes of staying objective; which I cannot be if I'm selling them.

It's a cream and they come in the pots you see. They stack into one another and screw in. I haven't used the geisha powder under them, though they do offer it as a sample in the kits, so I'm going to try it and see if that helps them set faster. I have used their translucent mineral powder dusted over the designs, with the glitter, and that helps in the drying too. When I did my son's full face mask, it seemed to dry quicker and he went off and played and it didn't smudge at all.

Tremendous learning curve, and I know that I'd be having a better time with some of the watercolor cake kinds of paints as far as having the colors pop more, and layering dry colors over one another (which seems to be impossible with these). I'd also like to investigate the paints that were mentioned here with the really tough name that starts with "E" - have to go and look that up in the post I saw it in.

Still, I'm determined lol, and the more I practice and watch other painters, the better I'm getting at some of the things that they're doing - I just have to modify things here and there to account for the difference in the abilities of my paints

Noella wrote:

Fortune Cookie wrote:Hi Noella,

I don't know, but I've written to ask them which it is.

I know there are one or two forms (tocopherol acetate being the worst) that can cause contact dermatitis; though it is widely known to cause this and so avoided by most cosmetic companies using natural and organic ingredients. Their claim of hypoallergenic would seem to eliminate anything that might cause skin problems.

It will be interesting to find out

Interesting - tocopherol acetate I'd heard had antioxidant benefits and UV protection.

Hi Noella,

I heard back from the company, they said it is d-alpha tocopherol, not derived from wheat protein. That and 'dl' are the best ones. Good to know

eulenspiegel
http://www.eulenspiegel-schminkfarben.de/
I wrote to their facebook but haven't heard back, Been meaning to get one of my friends who is Austrian to come over to translate the site for me cause I like the pictures but wouldn't be brave enough to order when I don't speak a word of German.. (at least I think its German) . It would have been a post by Lone Wolf probably as she has used it...

Hi JBM,

Thank you for that

I found little other than their website online for information, but as usual, all of their products look just amazing (what I could understand by looking at them at least lol).

Using the setting powder with the E.Minerals paints helped a lot, both before application and after. The only areas I seem to be having trouble with drying are the lining portions. I plan to experiment with some of the companies other products (which are all naturally made too), to see if I can eliminate the liner-drying issues.

Everyone here is amazingly knowledgeable and skilled. I'm looking forward to learning everything I can from being here.

Thank you again for the information

No one ever asked me what the paint-ingredients are. Ever!
The one question I allways get; how does it come off again.
Grimas is no problem, DFX needs more work because of the vibrant colours.
So I voted; i don't care.

I've had a few mom's, over the years, ask me the ingredients - which is why I always carry some extra cakes in their original packaging so I can hand them the container to read themselves. No one has ever then said 'no you can't paint my child with that"...

And yup, most of them ask if it will come off!

I've been asked if my paints contain any wheat or nut products in them. People I've encountered are far more concerned with the natural ingredients than the synthetic ones.

I agree with that last statement. I'm doing a gig for kids with food allergies and I've been trying to see what the natural ingredients are, so I don't hurt or kill anyone.

Does anyone know if TAG, DFX, or Paradise have wheat or nuts in them? I got the Paradise list off my package, but I can't find the other two.

If you can't read the dfx, I can post a bigger image

For the Wheat and Soy allergies you want to watch out for Vitamin E - it can be derived from either or from a synthetic. Especially a concern if you put things on lips.....

Thank you so much!!! I can see both ok. I know there is Vit E in Paradise...do you know what it's derived from?

OK, I can't remember when/where I heard this, but it was reliable (I think hehe) that the Wolfes were looking into an organic line...wouldn't that be awesome??!

rebelsky wrote:Thank you so much!!! I can see both ok. I know there is Vit E in Paradise...do you know what it's derived from?

I'm pretty sure it was wheat based (I asked at a trade show but the smell bothered me and I didn't buy any so I didn't write it down) - but there are two types (those that react for wheat allergies in North America and those that react for wheat allergies in Europe) and I'm not sure which it is. You might want to contact the manufacturer and find out for sure (not to mention finding out if they have changed it). I know OCC lip tar Vitamin E is soy based (it's what I use for those with a wheat allergy in my kit).

Great! I will look into that...Thank you!