facing the line, or back to the public?
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facing the line, or back to the public?
I usually set up at a table where I can see the people arriving, my back is to the wall, the table is to my left, and the kids chair is in front of me.
I've had a problem on two occasions when a mom pulls up a chair to wait with her kids, and has a toddler on her lap who cannot keep his hands out of the paints ( neither can mom) and ends up tossing an open tub in the sand. or smears the paint with his nails and fingers.
I could paint with my back to the people, but since a table has 4 edges, they will still be able to reach out and grab the paint.
How do you do this properly? Or has this not happened to you, or is there a way to prevent it?
Setting up a sign won't work, people do not read anything you have on display around here.
I've had a problem on two occasions when a mom pulls up a chair to wait with her kids, and has a toddler on her lap who cannot keep his hands out of the paints ( neither can mom) and ends up tossing an open tub in the sand. or smears the paint with his nails and fingers.
I could paint with my back to the people, but since a table has 4 edges, they will still be able to reach out and grab the paint.
How do you do this properly? Or has this not happened to you, or is there a way to prevent it?
Setting up a sign won't work, people do not read anything you have on display around here.
mamakatrien- Number of posts : 486
Age : 51
Location : Belgium
Registration date : 2011-10-21
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
Using my paint (gun) case gives me the "natural barrier"of the open, flat lid where I set up my brush stand in between us. I've been using it successfully for years and even forgot about this happening before...
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
At my last festival, I set up a la Denise Cold. I use my tables to create a little corner for myself, and my line manager has a chair or two for the next kids. Personally, I like having the kid face the back of the tent so I can face out and interact and see the people waiting in line. Plus, I get the benefit of the big reveal- no one really sees the face until its done, so the "how'd she do that!?" comes from everyone! I have a larger mirror and battery powered fan set up on the table as they exit so they can admire longer and let they fan set the paint- it gets super hot and equally humid here!
I did have a problem with one or two sets of exploring fingers, but for the most part parents will take care of it if you point it out. I'm tall, so I might upgrade to a folding bar height table, which hopefully will solve that problem as well- moving my paints out of sight and out of reach.
Now if only parents would park their empty SUV strollers outside the tent so people could get the shade I'd be happy.
I did have a problem with one or two sets of exploring fingers, but for the most part parents will take care of it if you point it out. I'm tall, so I might upgrade to a folding bar height table, which hopefully will solve that problem as well- moving my paints out of sight and out of reach.
Now if only parents would park their empty SUV strollers outside the tent so people could get the shade I'd be happy.
ginganinja- Number of posts : 64
Registration date : 2012-07-15
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
Honestly, I tell them once, Don't touch my paints please! If that does'nt work, I use my spray bottle and spray them in the face like a cat or a dog? Cruel? Maybe, but I don't have time to waste for every kid that want's to touch my stuff when I've got a huge line up waiting
Criss- Number of posts : 906
Location : Lethbridge, Alberta
Registration date : 2009-06-07
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
Use a big enough table so you can set-up your stuff making it hard to reach in, set-up the table against a wall, create barriers and "Line starts here" marker. And tell them to get out of your work space. You can you know.
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Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
no matter how hard I would try, some kid is going to sneeze or try to touch my paints, so now I leave the lids loosely on and remove the lid of the one I want to use (rainbows). my single colors are in a large kit with a clean hinged lid so I flip it closed after I fill my brush/sponge. My starblends I have the lids unscrewed but sitting loosely on top to protect them as well.
I'm so used to doing it this way, it's second nature and doesn't slow me down much. Keeps my paint CLEAN. keeps me happy, lol.
I'm so used to doing it this way, it's second nature and doesn't slow me down much. Keeps my paint CLEAN. keeps me happy, lol.
Luvs to paint- Number of posts : 726
Location : MS Gulf Coast
Registration date : 2011-02-11
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
This is really helpful, I have peen thinking about it all day, and I have now velcroed EVERYTHING in my kit, even the splitcakes.
I also like the spray bottle solution, I think I'll try telling them off - as I'm allowed to to so by Shannon (confidence boost right there) or else...I'LL SPRAY YOU!
I do like facing the crowd, it does make for a greater reveal.
I also like the spray bottle solution, I think I'll try telling them off - as I'm allowed to to so by Shannon (confidence boost right there) or else...I'LL SPRAY YOU!
I do like facing the crowd, it does make for a greater reveal.
mamakatrien- Number of posts : 486
Age : 51
Location : Belgium
Registration date : 2011-10-21
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I am new to facepainting and have thought of this a lot. I go back and forth--if there is a big line and I am facing the crowd I think I will get stressed out and worry about how many people are waiting---if I have my back to the crowd I am afraid that kids playing around in line will bump me and I will stab a kid (in the eye)---So in my LIMITED knowledge of facepainting I sit with my side to the crowd--I am right handing so my paints go on my right side (away from the crowd), that way I can see if there is anything dangerous (kids flying my way), but don't have to sit and face the crowd the whole time. So far it has worked.
My set up is tinty- so I don't have kids temped to touch the paints--so can't help you there-- You could always make a small sign with hands touching paints and a big X through it..
My set up is tinty- so I don't have kids temped to touch the paints--so can't help you there-- You could always make a small sign with hands touching paints and a big X through it..
amylady222- Number of posts : 1176
Age : 44
Location : San Luis Valley, Colorado
Registration date : 2012-08-04
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I use resin shelves as my table - and I have fabric tied to 3 sides of it - and that big fabric covered space is where I put my banner. I work out of the un-covered side (so I'm sitting beside it) - no one can touch anything (my chair is right up to it), and no one can knock over anything (it is tied off to my chair) and no one can see my stuff except me and the person in front of me.
I'm right handed and for some reason it works best for me to work with it on my left side.... Most everyone else I know prefers to work with their equip on their dominant side, but for some reason crossover works best for me....
I can't see the line (which de stresses me), I only can see the person in front of me and the next person waiting.... I don't even need to interact with someone looking at my banner (unless I don't have anyone in front of me).
I'm right handed and for some reason it works best for me to work with it on my left side.... Most everyone else I know prefers to work with their equip on their dominant side, but for some reason crossover works best for me....
I can't see the line (which de stresses me), I only can see the person in front of me and the next person waiting.... I don't even need to interact with someone looking at my banner (unless I don't have anyone in front of me).
Noella- Number of posts : 532
Age : 50
Location : close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registration date : 2010-08-09
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
Here are a few pictures of my side of the tent when Glitterfly and I set up at festivals... my back is to the "audience" with the person being painted facing the people watching. It allows mom to take pictures while I'm painting but no one can get close to my paints except me. This is my new camp kitchen set up which I am loving for multiple day events because I can store things off of the ground and there is a zippered "cupboard" for hiding things in while I"m working.
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
great camp kitchen perry....
I always try to put my table against a wall so the kids can't touch anything , and i usually face the crowd so I can see whats going on in the line...in my tent i use 3 half walls..and set my table and paints toward the back wall..so the crowd is to the left of me the paints to the right..i can still see everything thing I need to..and if people want to watch they still can but the half walls keep them out of the tent..and I like it that way...I only let the kids getting painted in and their parents...everyone one else has to wait out side for their turn...
I always try to put my table against a wall so the kids can't touch anything , and i usually face the crowd so I can see whats going on in the line...in my tent i use 3 half walls..and set my table and paints toward the back wall..so the crowd is to the left of me the paints to the right..i can still see everything thing I need to..and if people want to watch they still can but the half walls keep them out of the tent..and I like it that way...I only let the kids getting painted in and their parents...everyone one else has to wait out side for their turn...
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I have my kit to my right, on a plano rolling tool box, and I don't have this issue so much. I just tell them not to touch it if they try, because it is right next to me. My splits are all in a drawer that opens to the back, and I close it when I am done, but my jewlery trays our out in front. I don't like it when kids touch, but they don't do it all that often.
I get more irriatated when a parent pulls a chair up and plops down, disturbing the way I have my tent set up. Do you move chairs in a doctors office waiting room? Oiy, while they are at it, why not change my displays? I guess it just baffles me, it is so obviously deliberately set up the way I want it, or it seems that way to me anyway.
I get more irriatated when a parent pulls a chair up and plops down, disturbing the way I have my tent set up. Do you move chairs in a doctors office waiting room? Oiy, while they are at it, why not change my displays? I guess it just baffles me, it is so obviously deliberately set up the way I want it, or it seems that way to me anyway.
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It is your "shop", you rule...but with grace and comedy creating new friends for the business....that's the motto with our painters. In the US I would never spray a person with water to correct their actions. Many would consider it bullying and you are the adult. I don't have control problems probably because of experience and I'm always talking to my crowd so they are on my side. I find for many putting down a colorful jump rope and no one but the child being painted comes past it...unless it is a very small child with a parent works. Use comedy to handle situations rather than being annoyed and using what others would consider aggression if you want to build a large home based business.
Our world is full of aggressive people, simply rude people, people that have not been taught to not touch what doesn't belong to them. Often though what we run into is people who simply have NO understanding of our work and are fascinated. The biggest problem I see with face painters is they are so absorbed in their work they are NOT aware of what is going on around them or interacting with their crowd...yet they book themselves as "entertainment". Of course, this doesn't apply so much to artist doing print or model work.
Our world is full of aggressive people, simply rude people, people that have not been taught to not touch what doesn't belong to them. Often though what we run into is people who simply have NO understanding of our work and are fascinated. The biggest problem I see with face painters is they are so absorbed in their work they are NOT aware of what is going on around them or interacting with their crowd...yet they book themselves as "entertainment". Of course, this doesn't apply so much to artist doing print or model work.
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I stand with my back to the waiting people, table to my right side.
If my table is against a wall, I make sure the people in line don't come to close to the table, by warning them to mind their feet, since I take a step back without looking...
If the table is not against a wall, and people can reach it from the other side, I just keep an eye on it... On the first offence I simply ask them not to touch anything, on the second offence I tap their fingers lightly with the back of my paintbrush I'm holding, tell them not to touch anything, and continue to paint the child in my chair...
They're usually so embarrased that I saw the second offence, that they don't touch anything again. Once in a while you get the really annoying ones, that start testing you... then it's simple: stop right now or you're not getting painted!
If my table is against a wall, I make sure the people in line don't come to close to the table, by warning them to mind their feet, since I take a step back without looking...
If the table is not against a wall, and people can reach it from the other side, I just keep an eye on it... On the first offence I simply ask them not to touch anything, on the second offence I tap their fingers lightly with the back of my paintbrush I'm holding, tell them not to touch anything, and continue to paint the child in my chair...
They're usually so embarrased that I saw the second offence, that they don't touch anything again. Once in a while you get the really annoying ones, that start testing you... then it's simple: stop right now or you're not getting painted!
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I set up w/ my side to the public. This keeps my eyes always on the public, I'm able to talk to parents, make sure no one is messing w/ my signs, & the person in my chair is visible so people can see the art in action. I keep my kit backed up into a corner & behind me. I like this set-up because it keeps me physically active, turning & moving & helps me not get stiff. I used to set my kit right by my side & found I spent hours in 1 position (painful).
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After reading up here, I've decided to try the sideways approcha next time - might work very well!
mamakatrien- Number of posts : 486
Age : 51
Location : Belgium
Registration date : 2011-10-21
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I know a lot of people stand, but does anyone use a stool that twists--so you can adjust the height and then just twist to get the paints behind you?
amylady222- Number of posts : 1176
Age : 44
Location : San Luis Valley, Colorado
Registration date : 2012-08-04
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I used to sit on a normal stool (it didn't twist). I found sitting encouraged me to lean forward for long periods of time & killed my back. I probably wouldn't be able to face paint anymore if I hadn't switched to the director's chair.
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Sitting is the worst position for your back. Standing allows your weight to be distibuted over a greater area, and its easier to maintain good posture. When sitting, the forces/weight going through your low back and discs are much greater than standing. Not to mention, it it more difficult to maintain proper lumbar posture while sitting. Especially if you then have to flex forward to reach a face while painting. I'm a Physical Therapist Assistant- the ones that come in with back and neck pain are the sitters
ginganinja- Number of posts : 64
Registration date : 2012-07-15
Re: facing the line, or back to the public?
I used to sit as well, but my chiropractor made it clear I should stand, or put the kids in a adjustable chair... So being stubborn, I tried the chair for the kids first, and it just didn't work... After half a year I switched to a tall directors chair from EZ up, and my back is much better now!
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So dump the extra chairs.
And no spraying or tapping the customers....even if they touch your kit items. It can indeed come across to some as abusive. Enen when done jokingly.
I rarely, never have issues with rude people or stray hands. If a child can reach my paint and touches a cake - I joke and say oh my rule is if you touch my paint that's the color I paint your nose! Their eyebrows go up or the give me that little "uhuh" look. Everyone laughs.
Then I usually say (as everyone is now listening) no really the thing is I know where my hands have been but I don't know where yours have been. And you'll be happy when I paint you with clean paint. Keeping my things clean make us all happy. And then parents and kids agree.
Indeed. You should be constantly interacting with the crowd. I paint but my whole thing is I am the entertainer. I keep my line happy and entertained. I am fully aware of what is happening at my fingertips in my chair and several people back in line. This is being able to be fully aware is something you are born with or just learn to do. Back or front facing doesn't really matter, if you are fully aware.
I personally find all the rule signs some painters use as a big downer. What a turnoff to go be entertained with colorful face art only to have to stand in line and read negative signage.
I think the more professional you are, become, people just don't touch your stuff. Keep a tight ship. Most paints have too much stuff out. There is a balance to having enough products to look like a pro and having too much that you look like you don't have a clue what to use.
And no spraying or tapping the customers....even if they touch your kit items. It can indeed come across to some as abusive. Enen when done jokingly.
I rarely, never have issues with rude people or stray hands. If a child can reach my paint and touches a cake - I joke and say oh my rule is if you touch my paint that's the color I paint your nose! Their eyebrows go up or the give me that little "uhuh" look. Everyone laughs.
Then I usually say (as everyone is now listening) no really the thing is I know where my hands have been but I don't know where yours have been. And you'll be happy when I paint you with clean paint. Keeping my things clean make us all happy. And then parents and kids agree.
Indeed. You should be constantly interacting with the crowd. I paint but my whole thing is I am the entertainer. I keep my line happy and entertained. I am fully aware of what is happening at my fingertips in my chair and several people back in line. This is being able to be fully aware is something you are born with or just learn to do. Back or front facing doesn't really matter, if you are fully aware.
I personally find all the rule signs some painters use as a big downer. What a turnoff to go be entertained with colorful face art only to have to stand in line and read negative signage.
I think the more professional you are, become, people just don't touch your stuff. Keep a tight ship. Most paints have too much stuff out. There is a balance to having enough products to look like a pro and having too much that you look like you don't have a clue what to use.
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