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Post by CrazyPainter Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:25 pm

Howdy all. Was just wondering if anyone had heard about the recent movement to license Children's Entertainers in Toronto. Thus far it just seems to be for Toronto, but I would imagine it will ripple out.

This is from the Toronto Star about a month ago.


Linda Beaudoin was outside the Napanee courthouse the day Randy Miller pleaded guilty to child pornography charges in April.

The Brampton woman has been there for all his court appearances and will also be there when Miller is sentenced next week.

Her goal is to bring attention to child abuse, said Beaudoin, adding it's especially important in cases where children's entertainers such as clowns or magicians are involved.

Miller was a well-known children's entertainer — a clown — for more than 20 years and worked at private parties, fairs and festivals.

Beaudoin is spearheading a campaign for legislation that will make it mandatory for anyone working as a children's entertainer — Santa, clown or Easter bunny — to be given a criminal-background check and be required to have a licence to make sure he or she is safe to work with children.

“Exotic dancers need a permit; so do massage therapists,” pointed out Beaudoin in an interview. “So why not children's entertainers?”

She has been pushing for this legislation for more than a decade. In November, MPP Vic Dhillon tabled several petitions Beaudoin had collected at Queen's Park.

Beaudoin says she got a reply from Jim Bradley, the minister of community safety, saying that requiring background checks is up to those individuals who hire children's entertainers.

She is not giving up.

“I'm in the process of collecting more petitions and I plan to take them to Queen's Park again.”

The City of Toronto is exploring the issue. Beaudoin took the petitions to the Licensing and Standards Committee a couple of months ago and Anthony Perruzza, Ward 8 councillor and member of the Licensing and Standards Committee, said staff is looking into it.

“We are looking into its implications ... will licensing increase red tape, is it practical,” he said.

Perruzza said staff will have the report back in a month.

Beaudoin's zeal for children's safety is not tough to understand — the Ottawa-born woman says she was abused as a child and left home at 15.

She has worked as a clown and entertained children. That's when it hit her that no one checked her background.

Children's entertainers go into homes and have unlimited access to kids, she said. “And parents automatically trust entertainers even though they know nothing about who really is under the mask or the bright, colourful costume.”

Besides Miller, Beaudoin pointed out that Barrie's Daniel Gyselinck, who played Santa, was also convicted of having child porn last year.

The most horrific known incident involving a children's entertainer was in the U.S. in the 1970s.

John Wayne Gacy, who raped and killed 33 teenage boys and young men between 1972 and 1978, was also known as the “killer clown” because he dressed up as a clown for parades and children's parties.

Andrea Calver, coordinator for Ontario Coalition for Better Child Care, understands the concern, but says those who work directly with children, like at daycare centres or seniors' homes, are required to get background checks done.

“The difference between those working at daycares and as children's entertainers is that entertainers wouldn't be left alone with kids. There would be parental supervision,” she said.

Meanwhile, Beaudoin is also taking the matter to Brampton's city council. “My goal is to make kids safe everywhere,” she said. “(It) doesn't matter how much effort I have to make.”

There was recently some sort of questionaire sent out to Clown Canada members from the city. (Im not a member but have friends who are) So it looks like this is really being looked at.

I admit I'm on the fence. I don't hate the idea, but I also don't see how having a license will help solve the problem, other than to prove you've been screened....and you can already do that with a background check.

The only thing that makes me really mad...well 2 things really, is that the very things the person in question is guilty of doing has nothing to do with his activities as a clown. And 2, I personally hate it when the media plays the John Wayne Gacy card.

Just thought I'd throw it out for discussion.


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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:36 pm

Just another gimmick for the gov't to get more money from us. I have never been at a party where the parents leave me and the children alone. Very odd for a parent to do so.

We work with children in public situations. If in a private residence, there is always at minimum one adult around at all times. That is the parents responisbility. I would never let the refrigerator repair man in my home and leave him alone with my daughter. Nor would I with a clown hired for her party.

Just a silly excuse for more fees to be collected from the gov't.


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Post by Perry Noia Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:39 pm

I hadn't head about it... I'm not opposed to it, it might reduce the cheapo clowns that keep undercutting everyone if they had to go through the trouble. But did this person HAVE a criminal record prior to this incident? If this was the first time he was caught, then a police clearance still wouldn't have shown it. Teachers have to get clearances and there are still issues with problems there. I've had them done several times, but they need to be kept up to date and it only says that they've never done anything BEFORE, not that they won't.

It will be interesting to see what happens with it.
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Post by CrazyPainter Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:47 pm

I had considered the pluses of using licensing to weed out some of the non professionals, but on the other hand, it'd have to be expensive for that to work. Not sure I'm into that either.

And Perry is right. Someone passing screening just means they haven't been caught yet.

I'm curious where the line gets drawn. If I'm a hobby magician who doesn't do parties or anything, and I do a thumb tip trick for a group of kids at the next table at an ice cream shop, and I'm not licensed, did I just break the law?

Maybe not because no one paid me - but that opens up the question about those guys who do it for volunteer causes only.

It all seems pretty murky.

I can go for a certification process - something that proves you're screened and insured, but that would be up to the hirer to ask for. Not necessarily something that would make it illegal to perform.

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Post by JBM Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:48 pm

INtersesting. I think to cover my own a*&* I'd prefer not to be left alone with children. I had to do a working with children check recently and all I did was fill in a form. It didn't instill confidence in me that the people looking after kids are well screened. How do they know what sickos do at home on their computers?
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Post by Perry Noia Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:54 pm

The typical police clearance here involves requesting one from town/city hall, several days to a couple weeks of waiting as they do a check of police records, then you get a dated paper back from the city hall that says that you haven't done anything before. Not that it should be a surprise to you personally LOL
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Post by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:06 pm

It costs $25 to get a Criminal Record Check from the RCMP here and I'm not sure but I think you also pay a fee for the Child Welfare Check from the Government (Child & Family Services) and all that says is that you've never been named in any child endangerment allegations, etc.

And like already stated, that only means you've never been caught.

I've had both done in the past for other reasons. I don't see getting them as a real problem it is just that I don't think they are really worth the paper... as, as soon as you walk out the door with them they are out of date!

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Post by CrazyPainter Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:22 pm

Well here there's 2 kinds. You can get the regular police check that just says you don't have a record. That one can be done on the spot and costs 40 bucks.

The second is the "working with vulnerables" one. That one is a little different. Its 40 bucks too but it takes a while to come back, unless you pay the rush fee. (read: cash grab) Currently in my city the normal wait time is 4-6 weeks but that seems to change a lot. You can also get that one for 10 bucks if you have a note from an organization (on proper letterhead) that you're a volunteer for something. Still takes a while though.

The thing that I don't like about either of them is that there's fine print that says its not a proper copy if it doesn't have the city seal stamped on it. "Technically", you can't just get a police check, then photocopy it to hand out whenever someone asks for one. So you have to keep going back for a new one. Of course, thats only if you go by the book. Most organizers that ask for one really only want a photocopy so they can show their bosses that they asked.

So in this vein, I'm certainly all for licensing if it means I don't have to go down to the police station and shell out 40 bucks every time someone wants to see one. I don't get asked often so its never been much of an issue, but I have a feeling that's going to change as time goes by.

Aside from that, it just aggravates the crap out of me that one goof with illegal stuff on his hard drive can put all clowns into question. I recently was asked for a records check, which is fair enough, but then found out it was because I was a clown. None of the other entertainers at that event (and there was a lot of entertainers there) even got asked for one....just me, the one wearing the red nose. grr

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Post by Beans Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:04 am

JBM wrote:INtersesting. I think to cover my own a*&* I'd prefer not to be left alone with children. I had to do a working with children check recently and all I did was fill in a form. It didn't instill confidence in me that the people looking after kids are well screened. How do they know what sickos do at home on their computers?

its not called the world wide web for nothing!
This regulation sounds very similar to our Working with Children Check. People in paid work pay for the check and people who volunteer don't.
It screens an applicants details for any connections to offences and connections involving the inappropriate conduct/abuse/harm of children. If someone is a suspect in the transfer of illegal images, every item they send into the www is recorded in transit and brought to justice even if they have never acted inappropriately with a child. PC's are seized for evidence and the same goes for your phone calls! Transcripts galore!!
Even if I think its a pain for the process it's worth every penny! If you've got it - your safe, if you don't.....well aren't you glad you got one!
I don't know about you but I certainly want to know that the entertainer I hire or the local church volunteers have been screened and cleared of any offences that may bring harm to my children. Same goes for the people I hire to do the plumbing and sparks!
JBM - you are very right to feel the way you do about being alone with kids. Even kids have the wildest and sometimes malicious imaginations. I've seen it first hand as I have close connections to the judicial system. As a youth leader and volunteer we work in twos esp when we have to monitor toilet breaks! When I do festivals or busy markets I always make sure I have a helper and I don't paint kids who aren't supervised.
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Post by Gamezgirl Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:11 pm

I am in Ottawa, I get a yearly CBC(criminal background check) just because I think it shows that I am professional, yes, they are outdated the second you walk out the door, but at least I have made the effort, and I agree, you should never leave your children alone with any entertainer. I wonder if there is ANY way to have a list of safe and approved entertainers though? I mean really, even licensing...only means the bad one hasn't been caught yet.
Slightly off topic, but my son is doing really well with photography, (he is 5) and wanted to do a project for his classmates in Kindergarten. He wanted to take pictures one day, then make a collage for all of the kids to take home. The principal said no, because even if we got consent from all the parents, what if someone other than the parents got ahold of the photos and photoshopped them into something bad? Wow...really? What is our world coming to when a talented child can't make a gift for his friends? Sad.
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Post by helena Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:16 pm

I agree, that is sad about your son's collage idea being nixed. On one of the many many many forms that I sign each year for the kids at school it asks for me to sign for publicity or photos being taken of my kids at a school event or during school - so that may allow more pic's taken that way...

I don't mind the criminal reference check - including vulnerable sector (kids/elderly etc.), but then, I have to have one for my day job anyway (working at the YMCA) - I guess it could help with insurance and a professional appearance, maybe I should have that on my website... but in reality unless that person's been caught, it won't reveal private habits

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